Going forward I'm going to use the HR management company
associated with the online caregiver company. They can
take care of driver's licenses and taxes for caregivers but they
will still get the money directly from me. Dr.
Hahn on 10/2/24
Absolute worst person for caregiver, Hannah G
(maybe Graham ?). So she said wanted to do a one week
trial run for caregiver for my Dad at $20/hour x 6 hours a day for
week. So she is supposed to do breakfast dishes by
putting dishes into the dishwasher. (about 2 dishes, one bowl,
couple of spoons, forks, knives and 2 coffee cups, 2 glasses).
Out of 4 days (last day not done because of Helene) she only did
dishes one day. My contract actually says feed my Dad
breakfast except that I fed and changed him before she got there
every day so the only thing left was to do the dishes. I
said take Dad's blood pressure, temperature and pulse rate and blood
oximeter EVERY morning. First 2 days did not attempt.
Third day texted me 3 times for directions and said unable to take
blood pressure. My blood pressure instrument is a push
button instrument. 4th day took blood pressure & sent me
photo of BP but did not take temperature (push button digital).
Every other caregiver knew how to take BP and temperature without
instruction. Said Dad refused to allow her to change his
diaper so she never did his diaper one time. Then she
says I have to pay her on every Friday. I said I would
hire another person for Friday prior to her asking for pay on
Friday. My tentative contract which I emailed her (not a
signed contract because she said use her on a trial basis for a
week) states paid every Monday for prior week's work.
I emailed her that she needs to give me her driver's license for my
records before she started to work. Reasonable.
She agreed. Most people have no problem providing
driver's license. She kept asking me so many questions
making me late every day for work that I forgot and never got her
driver's license. Then today when I was paying her for
first week's work & discussion of using her again maybe half the
week, she refuses to give me her driver's license.
I want to know who I have in my house when I am not home.
In case things disappear. In case my Dad is suddenly ill
after her visit. In case I have an ID theft incident.
In case someone sets the house on fire and disappears.
etc. So I said I don't want her working again.
Then she says to me as she heads on out the door, I need to say
thank you to her and speak more kindly.
My
Dad wants the house at 80 degrees year round or he catches a cold.
She says she needs to step out of the house every 15 minutes because
it is too hot inside. An obvious lie. It was
at least 85 degrees outside every day this past week.
She is working here. She is not the patient.
The patient's comfort is the most important thing. She
does not get to decide to have the house at 75 degrees for her own
comfort and let my Dad catch a cold. A person in my
Dad's health can actually die from getting a simple cold.
For
about $500 for 4 days work, she did no work and sat around all day
on her cell phone. Then she advises me that I should put
my Dad in the nursing home. I am not taking her advice.
She has no right to ever claim to be a "caregiver". It
is only because I have the most restraint that I did not throw
something at her as she left. She did say that she does
cleaning with real estate agents. I guess houses are less delicate
than my Dad.
Either she deliberately did not
take blood pressure OR her entire profile stating 2 years of
experience with caregiving is an absolute lie. The
website where I obtained her profile does state that they do not
guarantee providers and it is the job of the employers to vet the
employees. I think the website just rubber stamps anyone
who pays them to have their profile on the website.
WORST CAREGIVER EVER. Dr. Hahn
9/30/24
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Got my first paycheck about a week ago from New Bridge.
First paycheck is a live check and not sent via direct deposit.
I keep forgetting to go and put it into my checking account.
I spent all summer working on taking the Praxis is General Science.
I spent too much time studying for it because I passed with a grade
of 98.5% - clearly too much studying. General Science
praxis does cover (a) Earth Science (b) Biology
(c) Chemistry (d) Physics.
The above is the address of the house that
my parents bought some 40 years ago. Mom passed away
nearly 2 years ago. Dad and I are living at this house.
Dad is unable to live by himself. My parents never
wanted to go into a nursing home. Even though my brother
offered to pay for a really nice nursing home near his Virginia
house where his wife's aunt lives, they refused to even go look at
it. I am proud to say that my mother never had to go
into a nursing home until she passed away. She died in
the hospital in the last week of her life. The same address as
shown above is also on my transcript from my undergrad college (U of
SC, Columbia).
My father has a doctorate in Physics from
Florida State University and he was a college professor at Benedict
College teaching Physics for some 30 years before he retired.
He was the first person at Benedict who started teh 2+2 Engineering
degree where students started with Physics at Benedict and then went
on to earn an Engineering degree at a number of colleges such as
Geogia Tech. My brother has a doctorate in
computer science and he is a professor at George Washington
University in Washington, DC teaching computer science.
He is also co listed with the medical school at George Washington
University hospital because he does a lot of work on computer
assisted surgeries.
https://engineering.gwu.edu/james-hahn
As long as I have assistance from a
caregiver, I will not stop working in order to care for my Dad while
still letting him stay out of the nursing home. One of my
colleagues says she will retire when her parents need a lot of help
but I don't think that will be nessary in my case. In the
worst case, I can have my Dad go to live with my brother.
In any case, my Dad will not be going into a nursing home.
I let the yard go while studying for the
Praxis during the summer so I am going to have to hire someone to
take care of it because it is quite a mess. I am
quite the saver and both my parents and I have always lived way
below our means and I have always had a job and persons with a
doctorate earn on the high end of the payscale so my Dad and I are
financially really secure. In fact Mom used to always
complain that Dad did not hire people for work around the house when
we had all the money needed to do so. It just takes time
to hire people though.
posted 9/7/24 Saturday by Dr. Hahn
I
went to EL Wright Elementary School, Dent Jr High and graduated from
Irmo High School (top 1% GPA, top 3% natonally on Prelinimnary SAT).
I graduated with a BS in Chemistry from the University of South
Carolina, Columbia (3.8/4.0 GPA,) I then earned a doctorate in
Chemistry from the State University of New York, Stony Brook (now
nicknamed Stony Brook University, the flagship University in the
State University New York system) I then did
postdoctoral research among others at Columbia Univesity (NY, NY not
Columbia College), at the University of Wisconsin, Madison and
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis.
I
have been teaching College Chemistry (mostly freshman General
Chemistry and sophomore Organic Chemistry Lecture and Lab) for about
20 years. In the 20 years I was teaching at college with at
least a BS degree but mostly at colleges with small MS or PhD
programs in Chemistry. I have taught at community college in
the 20 years for about one year. About half of the
20 years was as a tenure track professor and about half as a non
tenure track full time professor. Anyone who has a
doctorate in the content area (Chemistry) can teach in colleges in
the content area. I taught at Richland Northeast High
School last academic year. I taught in Fall 2023, 2
sections of Physics and a section of Chemistry. In
Spring 2024, I taught 2 sections of CP chemistry and a section of
Earth Science.
I am considered a certified K-12
teacher via SC Alternative Certification path. I received a PACE
letter from the SC Department of Education to teach General Science (high school and middle
school) based on transcript and Praxis scores at the end of August
2024 because my General Science Praxis score posted at the end of
July. According
to SC law anyone who has passed the Praxis in content area can teach
high school and K-12. Praxis is a standardized test
given all over the country in different content areas with a little
bit of "how to teach" questions. I already had
the PACE preliminary letter in fall of 2023 but I let the
preliminary PACE expire because I was super busy and forgot to get
my fingerprinting done. I did not know that I had let
the PACE letter expire until I went to the alternative certification
job fair so then I got my fingerprinting done and resubmitted so I
got the Chemistry PACE letter at the end of July in 2024.
Anyone with a doctorate in Chemistry can teach at any college
because college teaching does not have any education certification
requirements.
I passed the Chemistry
Praxis in September 23, 2023 (also have a doctorate and am able to
teach college in chemistry content area) with a 95% grade.
I passed the General Science Praxis in July 21, 2024 with a score of
98.5%. Passing the Praxis in SC requires a grade of 70%
and higher. Praxis scores come out about 3 weeks after
the date of the test. General Science includes Biology,
Earth Science, Physics and Chemistry so I am certified to teach
Biology, Earth Science, Physics and Chemistry. Persons with an
education degree qualified to teach sciences usually take a lot of
"how to teach" education class and only a few classes in the science
content area often how to teach science type classes. I
probably have more rigorous science content area classes (even in
Biology and Physics) than most science certified teachers because I
have a science content area degree and my doctorate is in the
chemistry content area.
My parents bought a house in Irmo,
SC about 40 years ago and they have lived there ever since then.
Mom, who has a degree to teach elementary school but was always a
stay at home mom, passed away last year. My Dad who has
a doctorate in Physics from Florida State University and was a
professor at Benedict College for some 30 years before retirement is
still living in Irmo in the same house that he bought 40 years ago.
Because my parents need some help and have been unable to live
without assistance, I have been getting teaching jobs nearby in
recent years. My parents do not need financial
assistance because they are savers and always lived below their
means, they just need help around the house.
The way that I
taught college chemistry in the 20 years that I taught college
chemistry is with a lot of low point testing. I teach
with about 3 to 4 "in class work" every day the class meets.
I also usually give in a semester 4 exams, 8 quizzes and a
cumulative final exam. There is usually either a test of
exam every week to week and a half. The easiest
way to teach college classes is a midterm and a final.
Midterm and Final often results in half the class flunking out.
Even without that for years the standard is (from a really old movie
in a large auditorium full of freshmen): Look to your
left. Look to your right. One of the 3 of
you will NOT be here at the end of the semester.
I have always had in all of my 20 years of teaching college
chemistry almost NO DROP/FAILS in my college General Chemistry and
Organic Chemistry classes. However I have never had that
result by dumbing down the class or just throwing grades at
students. The way I teach I put on the "in class work"
the most important content covered that day. I compile
those and put the most important of the "in class work" on quizzes.
On exams, I put the most important content covered on quizzes.
I never give exactly the same question so simply memorizing the
answer will NOT result in a good grade.
The " in class
work" is a modification of the "clicker" system used in a lot of
large lecture sections in colleges (of 200 to 400 students).
There is a TV remote type of "clicker" associated with student names
which is included in grading. Usually half of the grade
is for someone being in class and answering anything and half of the
grade is for getting the correct answer. I often
taught at colleges without "clickers" so I started to have a
question from the powerpoint but hand graded the "in class work -
clicker" question. Some college teachers use
"clicker" but really don't see an increase in students performance.
On the other hand "clicker" advertisement has an example of a
college chemistry professor who says that before "clickers" he had
maybe half the class earn an F grade but using "clicker" he had NO
failing students.
Prior to New Bridge Academy,
23-24 acadmic year I was teaching at Richland Northeast High School
(Chemistry, Physics and Earth Science). In the 22 to 23
academic year I was teaching at Coker University (General Chemistry
lecture and lab and Organic Chemistry lecture and lab and
Biochemistry lecture). 2020 to 2021 and Fall 21 I was
teaching at the Citadel. At the Citadel I taught
Introduction to Chemistry lecture and lab and General Chemistry
labs. I took off a semester because of my parent's health
issues. 2019 to2020 (Covid year) I taught General
Chemistry lecture and lab at Presbyterian College. At
Presbyterian College there was a common assessment exam for all
sections of General Chemistry I Lecture. All the other
professor lost the standard 30% drop/fail but I had almost no drop /
fail but had about the same average on the end of the semester
common assessment exam. So this is proof that my students do
learn the material and that I am not getting almost no drop/fails
because I am dumbing down the class. I also taught at
Francis Marion University for about 3 years (2012 to 2015 academic
years). I was a tenure track professor before that.
I just did not get tenure.
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https://sites.google.com/richland2.org/drjuliethahn (alternate
Richland 2 website)
classes teaching Spring 2024 -- in S205
Earth
Science (7 students) 2nd block (10:36 to 12:06 M,T,W,R,F)
Chemistry (14 students) 3rd block (12:47 to 2:17 M,T,W,R,F)
Chemistry (22 students) 4th block (2:23 to 3:53
M,T,W,R,F)
Earth Science is basically a Physical Science
class with the Chemistry and Physics removed. I have
taught college level Physical Science before.
I
have a Ph.D. (doctorate) in Chemistry and passed the Praxis with 95%
grade (where 75% is enough to be able to teach high school).
I have been teaching General and Organic Chemistry at the college
level for around 20 years. I also was in the top 1% in
GPA at Irmo High School. I was in the top 3% on the PSAT
(a test given to all college prepartory high school students).
I had a 3.8/4.0 GPA for my BS in Chemistry from U of SC.
I have a Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry from the State University of New
York at Stony Brook. I did postdoctoral research
at Columbia University and U of Wisconsin, Madison.
I sometimes hear ridiculous rumors about myself.
Usually people won't tell me what the ridiculous rumors are so I
often don't even know what the ridiculous rumor is. I
earned my Ph.D. in Chemistry by my own hard work. Do not
confuse me for other women who worked where I have worked a
different year than myself. I say this because I have
heard (true or untrue rumor I don't know) about some other women who
did work in the same position as myself. (I was at Francis
Marion teaching General Chemistry Lecture and Lab during Fall 2012,
Spring 2013, Fall 2013, Spring 2014, Fall 2014 and Spring 2015).
I was at Presbyterian College teaching General Chemistry Lecture and
Lab during Fall 2019 and Spring 2020. I was at the
Citadel teaching Intro to Chemistry Lecture and Lab, Engineering
Chemistry Lab and General Chemistry Lab during Fall 2020, Spring
2021 and Fall 2021) If it was some other class and some other
time, whatever you have heard, it was not me.
If a student asks a
content question, I answer it because I know what I am teaching.
I have enough graduate coursework to basically be considered to have
a Ph.D. in Inorganic and Organic and Analytical Chemistry.
There are very few persons with a chemistry doctorate who can do all
of this but I can because I have the graduate coursework. Top
3% nationally on THE standardized test (PSAT) means that I am a very smart
person in the top 3% nationally academically.
I am not doing my work by getting unethcal help
from some colleague. I am not getting unethical help on
General Chemistry lab from a person who worked in the lab as a lab
teacher with an MS degree in Environmental Sciences before
retirement. Environmental Science is NOT General
Chemistry so Chemistry is not even that person's area of expertise.
It is however my area of expertise. I have written my own General Chemistry labs by myself.
I am not getting unethical help from some 80 year old guy who has a Ph.D. in
Biochemistry some 30 years ago and then worked as a executive in an
electrical company until retirement. This person
was teaching General Chemistry Lab while I taught General
Chemistry Lecture. Usually a person who does not
practice in a particular field, loses any ability that they had in
the content area. So a person who spent most of their
career in a electrical power company does not remember much
chemistry. Biochemistry is also NOT General Chemistry so
often people with a Biochemistry Ph.D. are unable to teach General
Chemistry. Also I have been teaching General
Chemistry Lecture for 20 years. It would be almost
impossible for me to have a doctorate in Chemistry and have taught
for 20 years General Chemistry Lecture and Lab and Organic Chemistry
Lecture and Lab and not know the content area in General Chemistry
and Organic Chemistry. I passed the Praxis in the
chemistry content area with
a 95% grade. I know my Chemistry. I
also have the ability to figure out things like high school Earth
Science and high school Physics. My simplifying
Chemistry for my students does not mean that I am too stupid to
teach in a more difficult way. I have also taught Ph.D.
graduate level Inorganic Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Bioorganic
Chemistry, and Organic Spectroscopy. It is harder to
teach content in a way that is easy and relatable to students than
to teach so that the content is way over student's heads.
Has anyone actually seen me getting
unethical help ? No. That would be because I
am NOT getting unethical help. Making up false rumors does not make
things that are untrue the truth. If it is in the best
interst of the person spreading the rumors to spread false rumors,
it is ridiculous to accept such false rumors as the truth.
For instance if someone steals someone else's powerpoints and claims
them as their own, than there is a reason for the person to be
making up false rumors. If you are
generalizing that all people who look like me know no science, that
is just a pathetic untruth. Interestingly asians are not
considered to be a minority in getting chemistry research funding or
in getting into Harvard. So no I am not an Equity hire
ever in my entire life. I would say that I
actually do much better excellent work above what I get credit for
doing my entire life. People almost always underestimate
my scientific ability and my true grit. I am a much more
gutsy person than people always assume based upon a first glance.
classes teaching Fall 2023 -- in S 205
Physics (14 students)
2nd block (10:36 to 12:06 M,T,W,R,F)
Physics Honors
(8 students) 3rd block (12:47 to 2:17 M,T,W,R,F)
Chemistry
(23 students) 4th block (2:23 to 3:53 M,T,W,R,F)
Planning period - 1st block (8:50 to 10:30
am M,T,W,R,F)
I
just wanted to let my class know that:
(a) I did use Quiz VI redo to add extra credit points to your Quiz
VI.
(b) I used Exam III redo to add extra credit points to Exam III
(c) I used Exam redos to add extra credit points to the final exam
(exception: if your class average unadjusted was over 90%, I did
not add any extra credit points. One section, Physics
Honors, had this enviable
average grade unadjusted.)
(d) I replaced lowest quiz grade with HW points
(e) I replaced lowest exam grade (from exam II and exam III from
this quarter) with the final exam (if your final exam grade is
higher than your lowest exam grade. So if you showed improvement
during the quarter, you would get a grade not locked to your earlier
bad exam.
(f) I consolidated all of your individual HW points into a single
minor grade HW column. I added points to each class' maximum
possible HW sum so that all classes had 56 HW points. (most of my
classes had around 40 HW individual points so than I added points up
to a total of 56 points. The 6 extra points would be for the
promised 5 drops (gave you an extra drop) in the HW grade)
(g) I removed the individual HW points from the grade by blocking
those from being included in the final grade. Because when I made
up the new sum of HW column, we briefly had double HW points
affecting your grade for a few hours until I removed the individual
HW points.
(h) I went sleepless for days. Try looking at an excel
spreadsheet with lots and lots of numbers for 16 hours straight and
see how you feel after that. (while not getting enough sleep)
One little typo and somebody's grade can change from an A to an F.
(i) fortunately I did this mostly at my house (really my Dad's
house) and caffeinated myself with soda and coffee. I also find
crunchy snacks (popcorn, potato chips, etc) help keep me alert.
Pepperoni also is good at keeping me alert. I only worked on your
grades when you guys were in class. I don't do this number
crunching into the wee hours of the morn in my RNE classroom. Too
creepy and uncomfortable.
(j) make sure I changed your lowest grade quiz and lowest grade
exam - this was manual not an excel auto choice change. I should
also have correctly taken care of averaged grade plug ins for
excused absence quizzes.
(k) if I made a mistake, email me and tell me what you think is
wrong. If I made a mistake, I absolutely will do a grade change
next semester.
You know if i don't do all of this (mostly all this extra work
should result in higher final grades based on your hard work), I
would have finished grading a week ago and would have had plenty of
sleep for a week. My conclusion, I am too nice in some cases for
some who are less than nice to me. Sort of turn the other cheek
nice. I know that everyone has an internal knowledge of right and
wrong. I hope no one is too far gone to have their internal
knowledge of right and wrong - some would say a higher power voice
(please note: not stating any religious beliefs in my official
position as a state employee) reach you still. (maintaining
separation of state and religion)
Also because the chemistry class refused to clean up after yourself,
I cleaned up for you. No I am not your mother. I put all the
glassware (and left over hydrochloric acid) into a tub of soapy
water.
Dr. Hahn
(redo/100)*(max total EC points)]
average on final exam: Physics class - 81.2% (this average
reflects ~ 5 extra credit points maximum based on average on exam
redos) Physics Honor class - 96.5%. No extra credit
points for the Physics Honor class grade. Chemistry class 77.5 %
(this average reflect 6 extra credit points maximum based on average
on exam redos)
The exam redo (redoing the exams for extra credit points on the
final exam.) really helped students do better on the final exam
even without any added extra credit points. Exam redos are not the
same as content recovery. Content recovery is where the students
can request a redo of an exam for full credit. In content recovery
the student's grade on the exam is the better grade earned after
the content recovery exam. My exam redos were NOT to replace the
original exam grade. They were used to decide how much extra
points a student could earn in extra credit on the final exam.
Since I posted the exam answer key and I gave the students the same
exam, it would have been unreasonable to have used "my exam redo" to
replace the original exam grade.
But really my objective in giving my students the exam redo was to
prepare students for the final exam. I feel that all students who
seriously did the HW ("ICW") and "exam redo" did much better on the
class as a whole and on the final exam.
The Physics Honor class exam average has NO extra credit points
added on. That is just the raw average.
I should call "my HW" as "ICW" or "in class work". Because there
are so many of these is why I have the drop "5" of the ICW.
RIchland 2 district rules are that students are supposed to earn an
F on the course if they miss "5" classes for whatever reason. Of
course if a student misses 5 classes, then students can do "seat
time" work by doing study hall or other things. This apparently
is related to some law about number of hours spent in class for the
number of credit hours earned.
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I have never taught Physics but all people with
a Ph.D. in Chemistry have taken at least one class in physical chemistry
in graduate school and also one class in physical chemistry while
getting a BS in Chemistry. Physical Chemistry has portions
that are similar to cotent in Physics. Also I took a year of
Calculus based Physics in college (equivalent at U of SC to taking 2
years of Physics). I also have a library full of old Physics
textbooks that my father collected over the years at my Dad's house
where I live. I also have a father with a doctorate in
Physics from Florida State University who was a Physics professor at
Benedict college for 30 years before retirement and a brother who has a
MS in Physics and a doctorate in Computer Science and is a
computer science professor at George Washington University in
Washington, DC.
I am currently getting to campus at around 8:30
am to around 8:40 am. First period starts at 8:50 am.
My first period is my preparation period so for 90 minutes I don't
teach a class after I get to campus. My first class starts
at 10:36 am. Part of it is dependent on when my Dad's caregiver
gets to the house.
I have also been burned by outright LIES in my
former faculty position. So I was getting to work early in
the morning 7:30 am to 7 am (for a class starting at 8 am) and working
my butt off (often to print out needed class handouts) and then I hear a
weird rumor that I am getting in early in the morning because I need to
meet in secret with a male colleague who is really doing all my work.
So I am working my butt off working BY MYSELF and I hear that a person
who has a MS in Ecology or some such field or is a retired former
power company executive is doing all the work that I AM DOING.
The rumor had to be that I am meeting in secret because I WAS NOT
meeting at all with anyone. Because I was working by myself,
no one saw me ever meeting with anyone because I was NOT meeting with
anyone. I was doing my own work above the abilities of
the person who the rumor said was doing my work for me.
So I am working at my home office and getting to
work when classes are going on and there are lots of students and
faculty around because I am doing my own work. No one is
doing my work for me. I am doing my own work.
I am not using someone else's powerpoints for
the Physics class that I am teaching. The reason why I don't
is because if I use someone else's powerpoint, I will not fully
understand the nuiances of what is on the powerpoint. I am
using the textbook companies powerpoint with my own modifications to the
powerpoints. This of course takes time to prepare.
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I passed the Praxis Exam in the Chemistry
Content Area with a score of 190/200 (95% score) as of the beginning of
October 2023. The score needed to pass in the state of
SC is 75% Median score is 159/200 . I have also been accepted to PACE and
Teachers of Tomorrow. So I am treated as a certified teacher
as of October 2023.
College Teachers do not need education
certification to teach. They just need to have a Ph.D.
in the content area. I have a Ph.D. in Chemistry so I can
teach Chemistry at any college without teacher certification.
High School teachers need certification by the
state in order to teach as a certified teacher. In the state
of SC current law is that anyone who has passed the Praxis Exam in the
content area can teach. To be considered a certified
teacher, one needs an acceptance letter from PACE or Teachers of
Tomorrow so I am considered to be a certified teacher.
The normal route to be a certified teacher is to
take classes in education. I have never taken any classes in
education however I have been teaching mostly freshman and sophomore
college students for about 20 years (mostly in colleges with 4 year
degrees or higher, about a year at community colleges). I have
only taken graduate courses in chemistry. I also have
taken a year of calculus based Physics (physics 211/212) while doing my
BS in Chemistry at the U of SC. Physics 211/212 was
equivalent to taking 2 years of Physics at the time at the U of SC.
Last year I was teaching at Coker University.
I was not the person teaching Physics at Coker last year so I was NOT
the person who started with about 20 students at the beginning of the
semester and ended up with 5 students at the end of the semester.
I was also full time at Coker so I was not the teacher who was teaching
high school and also teaching at Coker.
They told me that I was hired before the start
of classes at Richland North East but there was a long delay before the
paperwork processing was completed and I was allowed to start teaching.
My students had no teacher for the first month so my students basically
had study hall for the first month of classes. Even with
that I am fully caught up in class content but I also only did one lab
this quarter.
I also received a class room which apparently
had been used by the Math department for 10 years so my classroom (lab
room) had clogged drains, leaking safety shower (shut off because of the
leaking), no safety glasses. When I turned on the water was turned on
red rust came out with sputtering water. There were no
balances in the room and almost no equipment or glassware.
There were a few graduated cylinders and a few beakers in the room.